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  • Daniel

    Member
    February 11, 2023 at 4:41 pm

    Hey ,

    I have only partly listened to the recording, so I might be missing a bit of context.

    Are you using the Candi Cleanse to get rid of yeast like candida and other antimicrobials? In this case:

    When you are dealing with yeast (like candida for example), the immune system can get quite busy. Mast cells, which release histamine, can detect fungal & microbial infections and react to them in an attempt to protect the body (there is a 2012 study that describes that, just click here).

    Getting rid of microbes can eventually help lower the histamine load on the body. Reducing histamine-rich foods can also help reduce the histamine load on the body.

    If you are dealing with yeast or candida: yeast can be in 2 forms. The cell form isn’t a problem. The problem becomes when yeast cells like candida for example transform in their hyphae state. In the hyphae state, the candida cell grows a tail that can penetrate the gut lining creating some damage. If the lining of the gut is damaged, the enzyme that breaks down histamine called DAO (which is made in the gut lining to break down histamine from foods) is reduced as well and some gut healing is a logical second step.

    The amount of time you will need to get rid of unwanted microbes depends on how much are present in the first place and is therefore difficult to say. With my clients I often use Biocidin and with this product it is advised to use it for at least 3 months and then retest for example with an Organic Acid Test to see if the treatment was successful.

    Of course, I will listen to the recording completely. But if you could provide me with the details about the issues you are dealing with here, I might be able to give you a better answer!

  • jschwartz1

    Member
    February 11, 2023 at 5:04 pm

    I appreciate the prompt response!

    I’ll give you the full background story:

    I got a cold at Christmas, which turned into asthma symptoms, and then a histamine reaction (throat tightening) combined with asthma. I was prescribed antibiotics for a week and then prednisone for a week.

    My asthma symptoms have mostly resolved, but the histamine reaction has been persisting. Upon trying the low histamine diet, I felt 90% better overnight. But recently, as I introduce more processed low histamine snacks and eat leftovers the next day, I’m re-experiencing my throat tightening symptom.

    Also recently, I began experiencing what doctors have told me is a fungal infection (could be yeast / candida) on my lips. This is something that reappears for me often after being sick, and responds to an antifungal ointment used for a few weeks.

    Feels like I’m experiencing never-ending, debilitating symptoms after just a simple cold, and that’s happened the past few times I’ve gotten sick. I need to find a protocol that gets me back to feeling “normal” so I can go back to living my life again, and that I can go back to next time I get sick.

    Bernadette recommended a 30-day Candi Cleanse to help with the lip symptoms.

    It seems like i’m already on the kind of diet that the internet says should be good for getting rid of yeast / candida.

    Is Biocidin effective for yeast / candida specifically? Do I need to verify what I have is candida first? I haven’t tested for it, it’s just what every doctor has told me they suspect.

    Thanks again for your help!

  • Daniel

    Member
    February 12, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    Hey ,

    Here are some things you can do and some suggestions for lab tests. You mentioned that a low histamine diet reduced your symptoms. Histamine can also cause asthmatic symptoms, so let’s first take a look at what can elevate histamine.
     
    • Histamine can be elevated through the activation of the immune system. It is for example released by immune cells called mast cells. Mast cells are the immune system’s first line of defence against antigens entering the body.  Mast cells are more located especially in the skin and mucosa. Mast cells are especially important in the homeostasis of the commensal bacteria of the gut. If you have allergies, this can activate mast cells to release histamine. Avoiding them is especially important. If you don’t know if you have allergies you could consider getting tested.
    • You can get histamine from foods (we have a list in the B Better library. You can find it in this document). If you are experiencing more histamine symptoms with eating more histamine foods, I recommend not eating leftovers (I know… What a waste! But right now it is a burden on your body!). 
    • Histamine can be elevated because the body can’t break it down effectively. The DAO enzyme and the HNMT enzyme help do this. DAO supplements could help, but I will come back to that.

    As you can see: the gut & the immune system play an important role.
    Immune system.
    Getting sick happens. There is even a benefit of getting sick once in a while. The immune system gets very active and cleans the whole body, not only from for example a virus but also from possibly other dormant things.

    That being said, we like to have an optimal functioning immune system. Nutrients like vitamin D, vitamin A and zinc play an important role. I really recommend you take a look at B’s Medicine Cabinet Must-Haves & Go-To Immune Boosting Protocol. This protocol can help you next time you get an infection. But since we are passed that stage I would recommend you take a look at these nutrients. Are you getting enough:
    • Vitamin D – Is one of the most common nutrient deficiencies. We can only make it during day time when the sun is high enough in the sky. Where I come from (The Netherlands) we could walk naked on the street the whole day long from November to April, but we won’t make vitamin D since the sun doesn’t get high enough in the sky.

    Vitamin D also plays an important role in keeping the doors – or the tight junctions as they are called – closed between the cells in the gut. I often recommend my clients to aim at vitamin D blood levels around 50 ng/ml.
    • Magnesium – I’m just mentioning this because vitamin D needs magnesium to convert to its final bioactive form.
    • Zinc – An essential nutrient for the immune system. I’m not sure if you are using a supplement. If you don’t and you are considering a supplement, I would recommend choosing a zinc supplement that has a little copper in it as well since zinc and copper compete with each other for absorption. Copper is also necessary for the synthesis of the DAO enzyme.

    I recommend you take a look at the videos about zinc we have in the mineral balance course. There is one particular video here about correcting a zinc deficiency that dives deeper into how to correct a zinc deficiency if you suspect this is your case.

    Just a note here. If you are experiencing stress in your life, this influences your immune system as well. Stress can suppress immune function. If you are experiencing a lot of stress, the adrenal balance course is something I would recommend you watch as well – or at least the first 7 videos.

    Gut Health
    The 2 biggest things that impact the microbiome are antibiotics and food. If you have used antibiotics a few times in your life, chances are your gut needs some love. Antibiotics for example kill bacteria, leaving an opportunity for fungi, yeast and candida to overgrow. This protocol here you could use to address yeast and candida in the gut. The supplement recommended by Bernadette contains a lot of antimicrobials mentioned in this document and is therefore great for bringing balance to the gut when you are experiencing an overgrowth of yeast and candida.

    If you want to learn more about your own gut health, symptoms are a cheap way to assess your gut health. Symptoms like
    • Bloating
    • Gass
    • Constipation
    • Diarrhea

    are all signs something is going on.

    Sometimes symptoms don’t present themselves. Although the presence of symptoms is a good way to assess something is going on, the absence of symptoms isn’t the best way to conclude everything is fine.

    If you like to learn more about your gut health an Organic Acid Test from GPL can help to see if you have some kind of overgrowth going on. They aren’t cheap, unfortunately, but this test can help you discover if you have an overgrowth of
    • Yeast/Candida
    • Bacteria or
    • Mold

    Stool tests are other ways to get more insight into gut issues.

    DAO enzyme
    Stress, yeast(like candida) and bacteria can all influence/damage the gut lining. It is the gut lining that synthesises the DAO enzyme which helps break down histamine. Having a well-functioning gut lining is important. If you like to learn more about what causes a leaky gut I recommend this video. Once the yeast has been reduced you probably need some gut healing as well. We have a video about gut healing therapies here, and it involves using foods & supplements like glutamine, zinc carnosine, aloe vera and bone broth.

    Copper, vitamin C and vitamin B6 are all important cofactors necessary for creating the DAO enzyme. We touched on this already a little bit. If you are using oral contraceptives, be aware you could be low on vitamin B6.

    You could try DAO supplements and see if this helps reduce your symptoms. Just realise that they are a quick fix, but you still need to find out the root cause of why you are experiencing high histamine symptoms.

    HNMT Enzyme
    The HNMT enzyme is found throughout the body. This enzyme works to add a methyl group to histamine. According to his article, the methylated histamine molecules can then be excreted easily in the urine.
    Methyl groups are simply a carbon with three hydrogens. SAMe (s-adenosyl-L-methionine –  which can also be bought as a supplement) is the primary donor of methyl groups, and SAMe production relies on the body having enough folate, vitamin B12, and choline available to produce methyl groups. More nutrients that play a critical role!

    Toxin exposure
    Fillings in your teeth containing mercury can leach this metal. Sometimes candida, as a way to protect your body, absorbs the mercury so the body doesn’t need to deal with it. If you have some amalgam fillings in your teeth, this could impact your gut and your immune system as well.

    I hope these tips can help you in the right direction.

    Please keep us posted about your progress! I would love to hear what works or if there are more questions!

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