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Results are in for mosaic lab tests. Oat, urine and hair heavy metal
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@Annie Sye replied below in a new comment thread
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Thank you so very much. This was incredibly thorough and detailed. I do have a few questions I will bullet below. Bless you.
-I’ve told them to hold off on the CT scans
– the b complex you mentioned it also has b5 , should we not be avoiding b5 since his is so high? They’re trying to cut everything with too much b5 from his diet.
-my mother was asking if grapefruit seed extract was a good antifungal?
-If he chooses to take magnesium citrate how much should he take and how often?
– should he take bile salts ? My mother takes them since she has no gallbladder.
-should he take glutathione? Cymbiotika has packets.
– he’s taking two packets of cymbiotika vitamin c and his levels are still so low, should he bump it to three packets a day ?
-should he take supplemental NAC and how much? And how often ?
-Should he increase his melatonin ?
-My husband was wondering, from his point of view, why my brother doesn’t take an antifungal medication, since there are many medications to fight fungus in body? Or go to an infectious disease specialist.
-will the LUMEBOX red light be helpful when applied to any part of the body for him? Maybe over his kidneys? Or somewhere else? 🙁
I’m really worried about his kidneys, I’m scared… -
My husband was also asking why some people are fine in homes with mold while others get so sick like my brother.
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@Annie Sye I will reply one by one:
As I mentioned in previous replies, one of the recommended treatments for PANK2 is actually high dose B5. Please see the OAT test result section for B5, and also my previous replies for the other suggested treatments.
I would avoid any supplemental form of antifungals at this stage, including grapefruit seed extract because he needs to support the basic foundations first (supporting detox pathways, digestion, microbiome health, antioxidants, nutrient deficiencies, etc). Bringing on board any strong antifungals at this stage can “poke the bear” and potentially level him. Fungus does not like to be threatened, and if you start to “kill” with strong antifungals, 1) his body & immune system are likely not ready for the fight and 2) can lead to more mycotoxins being released since we know there has been colonization in the gut (that’s what they do if they feel threatened – they protect themselves by emitting gases such as mycotoxins and VOCs). It’s best to wait to be out of mold to start with stronger antifungals (whether it be medication or supplements). For now however, using food therapy can provide gentle antifungal action without causing 1) and 2) to happen. Please make the time to watch my Mold & Mycotoxin Illness course. It will help you all so much to better understand its nature.
Magnesium citrate is stimulating to the bowels, so the best recommendation is to take it to bowel tolerance or up to 600mg per day. If he takes too much, he’ll get loose stools. But please make sure you check renal function because magnesium is contraindicated with kidney dysfunction.
There are many ways to support the liver/gallbladder and bile production and flow. If you end up running a CMP including liver/kidney profiles, please share the results so I can better guide you. Please make sure they measure direct bilirubin to help see if there is any biliary tract congestion. This can block bile flow and would need something like d-limonene to help “de-grease” the congestion. In the meantime, digestive bitters (through food) or supplement like Quicksilver’s Dr Shade’s Bitters No. 9 for example taken 10-15 mins before meals can help stimulate digestive secretions including bile.
As I mentioned in my previous reply, if he’s still living in mold, hold off on taking glutathione. NAC, selenium, B6 and magnesium can help his body produce it instead.
Vitamin C like magnesium can be increased to bowel tolerance. Typically that’s between 2 to 3Kmg per day. If he gets loose stool from the combo of magnesium and increase in Vitamin C, just let him know to cut back on the magnesium citrate.
Given his very low level of NAC on the OAT, supplementation is warranted but it’s up to you of course. Orally, NAC is most often given in the dosage range of 600–1,800 mg daily (often divided into two or three daily doses).
How much melatonin is he currently taking?
Medications like Nystatin can be very effective when there’s an entrenched case of fungal overgrowth, but as I explained above, since he’s still living in mold, and has a lot to do first to strengthen his body, I would hold off on any antifungal meds/supplements at this time. No need to go see an infectious disease specialist unless they are mold-literate. Here’s a video in the mold course to help you find a mold-literate practitioner (I’m one of them ) if you’d like to work with someone privately.
Yes! Red Light Therapy can absolutely help with mitochondrial function and is a welcomed addition to his daily routine/protocol. You can get larger panels to do the whole body but since you have the Loom, he can place it on different places of his body for a few minutes at a time.
Regarding your husband’s question about why it affects some while it doesn’t affect others living in the same home is a very valid and frequently asked question. The main answer is GENES! Approximately 25% of the population have specific HLA-DR gene variants that may make them more susceptible to mold-related illness. These individuals may have a reduced ability to effectively recognize and clear certain mold toxins from their bodies, leading to a buildup of these toxins and subsequent health issues. Also, there are many “mis-diagnoses” where mold is actually at the root of their diagnosis. Please watch THIS video from the mold course where I explain why it’s so often missed. And then THIS video where I go over the most common questions/myths.
Hope this helps! Happy to review the protocol you end up putting together for your brother. Please please please take the time to review all of the videos and documents I’ve linked/shared here and in my previous reply, as it will give you a much more solid understanding and confidence in your decisions.
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@Bernadette Abraham yes of course, the reply before last, with the detailed protocol I immediately sent to my mother. She has the anti fungal diet, suggested list of anti fungal foods, and she knows to add 2-3 Brazil nuts every day. I also told them to do the additional blood work you mentioned. I’m sorry, I wanted to make sure , you mentioned nac and glutathione was low as per the test, was making sure you didn’t want us to supplement now that we knew his levels, so still a no since he’s still in mold, got it.
Ok, I wanted to make sure whether or not you wanted us to wait for the genetic test results before giving the b vitamins. So that’s still a go, Ok, got it., I was confused, in case he doesn’t have PANK2 and his b5 is high, and we give him more b5 is that ok? I do remember you mentioning before that b5 was used to treat PANK2, but what about if someone does not have PANK2, and they just have high b5, is it safe to give them more ? Does it harm the body?
I do still have to take the mold master class and the other one, when still living in mold. Which I hope to do today.
Thank you so much.
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@Annie Sye since B vitamins are water soluble, they are generally considered safe even at high doses since we can pee out the excess.
For B5 specifically, there’s no established tolerable upper intake level (UL) due to its low toxicity. High doses of B5 (like 10g+ per day) can cause GI symptoms like diarrhea, nausea, and heartburn. It might also lead to an imbalance in electrolytes due to its diuretic effect, which can cause dehydration and affect kidney function.
If there’s no PANK2, then there are B complex formulas that support methylation specifically (B12, B9, B6, B2) that exclude B5, such as Xymogen’s Methyl Protect or Seeking Health’s Homocysteine Nutrients (but these are lower in B6).
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@Bernadette Abraham I have to reread everything again. I keep forgetting things and I didn’t realize I skipped a whole section. I’m sorry. My head isn’t right.
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