• Follow up with son case

    Posted by ranakolankiewicz on May 6, 2023 at 6:58 am
    Hi B. Remember my son was the first study case in the B community regarding chronic nausea. Last tests we had discover he has low elastase and now it’s back to normal.
    But the nausea still there but since he changed his lifestyle (stop smoking, working out, sleeping early and waking up early) it’s much less but on certain days especially when he’s upset or angry he feels it extreme the next morning. And he said he feels like sh** in his whole core area not sure of nausea or what. It feels like anxiety but he doesn’t have anxiety.

    3 years ago it use to happen to him also when he takes energy drink and smoke the next day feels awful. But he’s not drinking this crap anymore nor smoking.

    Do you have any idea with the relation of emotions (anger, upset, nervousness etc..) and his feeling next morning?

    ranakolankiewicz replied 1 year, 6 months ago 3 Members · 10 Replies
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  • ranakolankiewicz

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    May 6, 2023 at 6:59 am

    I have to mention that since before he changed his lifestyle, when he wakes up early he doesn’t feel nausea but if he for example put his head and sleep again an hour extra he’d wake up with extreme nausea.

    So sleep also is related.

  • Daniel

    Member
    May 7, 2023 at 7:58 am

    Hey ,

    I’m glad to hear that the situation improved! And he is lucky to have a mother like you! The first thing that sticks out for me is that both situations could be related to stress hormones. Since Bernadette knows the case better (and has kids!), she might be able to look at it from a different angle

    Why it might be hard to describe the feelings in his core.
    Would you describe your son as someone who is well in touch with his feeling? I’m asking because I get the sense that describing the feelings he has in his core is hard for him. Having a good description might help us give a better sense of what might be at play.

    There are other reasons why someone might not be able to describe their feelings. He might for example miss the right words. Or he might feel a combination of stuff that might be complex to describe for him.

    Here are some questions you could ask:
    • The core of the body, depending on who you ask, can be completely different areas. Ask him to place his hands on where he feels the ‘anxiety’ can help you pinpoint better where he feels the discomfort.
    • Does he feel there is tension in this area, then muscles are probably related.
    • GI distress might be hard to describe sometimes. Does he feel a sort of cramping in the abdominal area? And related to that, how are his stools when he feels his core is like sh**?
    • Discomfort in the abdomen may be aching, stabbing, burning, twisting, cramping, dull, or gnawing. Asking more specific questions can help narrow it down.

    Anger and anxiety can be related. Anxiety is sometimes described as a low grade of anger. He might not be really upset anymore, but his body still might feel the ‘leftovers’ of the anger. 

    Understanding how his anger transforms in his mind can also play a role. Some people feel for example guilty after an angry outburst leaving them with shame or regret. These emotional feelings might end up on top of the physical discomfort making it harder to explain his feelings. If shame is at play he might not want to describe his feelings clearly as well.

    Lots of options to explore, I know. But all these emotions can also contribute to imbalances in neurotransmitters and cause him to feel unwell.

    Helping him cope with these feelings might be part of the solution.

    Stress hormones
    Sleep and emotions are both influenced by stress hormones. For example: when we wake up, our stress hormones peak to get our body ready to go. This is called the Cortisol Awakening Response (CAR). It happens after a good night of rest. Dropping back into sleep after you wake up, will lower cortisol levels again. These changes in your regular sleeping pattern shift your body’s neuroendocrine response, which can sometimes lead to nausea.

    A second reason why people can feel nausea is low blood sugar and hunger. When he sleeps longer, this could be at play as well.

    I hope this helps!

  • Bernadette

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    May 7, 2023 at 11:45 am

     really glad to hear about your son’s improvement!! The last conversation I recall you saying that the doctor suspected the nausea was related to his appendix. Was that a misdiagnosis?

    Your question about his strong emotions being connected to his symptoms is spot on. And Daniel very well explained what happens if the body perceives stress.

    In Traditional Chinese Medicine, anger is housed in the liver. So to me this absolutely makes sense since issues with the liver will often lead to nausea.

    Would you say your son has some emotional work to do? Here is a video from the adrenal balance course on the different healing modalities you can consider exploring as a next step. If you have not tried acupuncture, my gut feeling is that this might bring him relief.

  • ranakolankiewicz

    Member
    May 8, 2023 at 8:30 am

    replying on your first question, you can say it’s too complex feeling to describe.

    Asking him to place his hand on where the feeling is, it was a middle line from chest towards the belly but he says it’s like you’re asking where the stress is. He can’t really pinpoint.

    No tension, no pain, no aches, no cramping.

    The feeling is failing and more intense in the morning but still is normal.

    GI symptoms only has (burping) and when he burps there is some relief. Ultrasound showed gas in his colon and indigested food.

  • ranakolankiewicz

    Member
    May 8, 2023 at 8:32 am

    appendix is fine. It was misdiagnosis.

    We tried acupuncture a lot two years ago and didn’t help

  • ranakolankiewicz

    Member
    May 8, 2023 at 8:58 am

    and let’s say it’s cortisol related. Why it’s there everyday? Even when he sleeps well. And also I have to mention he has no anxiety problem.

  • Bernadette

    Member
    May 8, 2023 at 10:16 am

     please ask your son to watch the video on healing modalities and see what he resonates with most in that case. With emotional work, the person has to feel a connection and believe that the therapy will help them. I would also encourage you both to follow Dr. Christian Gonazales on Instagram who is doing virtual emotional release sessions. The testimonials he’s receiving from these sessions are incredible. 

  • Daniel

    Member
    May 9, 2023 at 12:00 am

    Hey ,

    It is because it is daily that I am thinking it could be related to cortisol. The primary function of cortisol is not actually related to stress. Cortisol’s primary function is regulating blood sugars.

    When we wake up, for example, we need energy. Since we have been fasting for 8 hours after a good night of sleep, we need the energy to fuel our bodies. This is why cortisol peaks in the morning. That peak can in some people be dysregulated: In some people, it can peak too high, in some people the peak is too low. In both cases, it can create health problems which are typically more ‘visible’ in the morning.

    A second clue why cortisol might play a role is that anger contributes to the worsening of the symptoms in the morning. Cortisol elevates when the body perceives a threat. The body reasons that a fight or flight might be a possible scenario and tries to create more blood sugars so that we can defend or fight better. When the anger is gone, it can still influence our cortisol levels the next day for 2 primary reasons:
    1. It takes time to break down cortisol and bring it back to lower levels.
    2. Even when anger is gone, the way we feel and reflect after anger can also influence cortisol levels. Sometimes people might experience that they felt treated unfairly or aren’t being heard for example. Sometimes the anger is expressed, but the anger isn’t gone. Sometimes people might experience that their reaction was too strong and doubts and feelings of regret can still influence our feelings of safety, which means that cortisol levels can still be altered the next day.

    These aren’t the only things that influence cortisol levels, but they might come on top of some other dynamic at play which might worsen the symptoms. The initial imbalance in cortisol is in this case a symptom of something else the body tries to manage, for example:
    • Allergen exposure (including food sensitivities)
    • Too much exercise, or a physical trauma
    • Emotional Trauma
    • Overuse of stimulants (caffeine, sugar, some people are sensitive to theobromine in chocolate)
    • Toxins (inclusive overuse of medications)
    • Insulin resistance and obesity
    • Inflammation
    • Insufficient sleep, sleep apnea and shift work.
    • Insufficient calorie intake.
    • A low-carb diet (since the body now needs to create sugar and this is the primary function of cortisol)

    The art is then to find what causes the dysbalance in cortisol while managing the things that challenge the cortisol levels further.

    To help you with that:

    The GI symptoms could cause imbalances in cortisol levels and imbalances in cortisol levels can cause GI symptoms. Helping the body digest the food might bring some relief.

    There is a handout right here with solutions to bloating. This video here explains how digestive enzymes can help digestion. Burping can also be a sign of low stomach acid. The hydrochloric acid dosage challenge can be something you could do to explore that option.

    I hope this answers some of your questions and also provides you with a starting point on how to progress further!

  • ranakolankiewicz

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    May 9, 2023 at 7:19 am

    thanks B. I am aware of emotional impact on health in general but since my son doesn’t show any emotional issue so I am trying to find the Ovid I am cause and not going allopathic way when they don’t know the cause they blame the mind and start giving label (depression, anxiety etc..). Will let him watch the healing modality. Thank you

  • ranakolankiewicz

    Member
    May 9, 2023 at 7:20 am

    thank you. I got it. However, he had cortisol saliva test and B has it when we did the study case. It wasn’t really bad. Will check everything you mentioned thanks

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