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Is there a supplement which contains Betaine HCL, Ox Bile and Digestive Enzyme
Hi Daniel,Is there a supplement which contains Betaine HCL, Ox Bile and Digestive Enzymes?
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Hey ,
Yes, there is! Thorne has a product that I often recommend. It used to be called biogest, but these days it’s called Advanced Digestive Enzymes. You can find it here!
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Hi Daniel,
Thank you so much.
Apologies for my manners. How are you? Sorry, I’ve been MIA. A lot going on with my gut issues. I’m waiting for my intestinal permeability results. I am intrigued by my LPS result and also histamine reaction.
I follow Kiran from microbiome labs. He mentioned LPS figure can be increased as a result of coconut oil.
There are three parts in his reel. Here is one I can only find now.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cv9vrb8APSj/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Hey ,
Don’t worry about being missing in action… although it’s good to see you back!
With dietary strategies, there is always a trade-off to consider. If you’re trying to balance out the microbiome and there is an overgrowth, some of the gram-negative bacteria will die off if you’re consuming antimicrobials.
Coconut oil is such an antimicrobial. LPS, which are part of the outer membrane of Gram-negative bacteria, get released when these bacteria die off. If your load of LPS is high or the amount of white blood cells is low and the LPS get into circulation, this can cause a reaction in your body.
That doesn’t mean coconut oil is bad, but some people might need some gut healing first before they start working with antimicrobials like coconut oil.
This is why we like to support the immune system (like for example with vitamin D, vitamin A and Zinc) and advice people to address increased permeability of the gut lining (leaky gut) with supplements like zinc L-carnosine, bone broth, vitamin D (which is necessary to keep the doors closed between the cells in the gut lining)
I’m not exactly sure to which study Kiran refers. Maybe this one where the effects of different oils were examined on how that would influence endotoxin transport. In this study, they saw that saturated fats, that were transported on ‘cabs’ much like LDL and HDL in the gut called chylomicrons increased absorption of endotoxins.
However… this research was done on pigs. 24 pigs were divided into 4 groups (and one group was a control group). The 3 other groups were given fish oil, vegetable oil and coconut oil. They did see an increase in LPS in the blood of these pigs, but it’s hard to do statistics on a group of 6.
Another factor to consider is the natural diet of a pig. Although pigs are omnivores and in theory eat everything, they prefer vegetables – and a low-fat diet – if they have the choice. It’s hard to estimate how pigs will deal when they are given more fat.
I do think the research is interesting. I’m not sure what research Kiran is referring to. But chances are this study was done on animals since most of this type of research is done on animals.
Back to humans!
Coconut oil might increase LPS since it is antimicrobial. If you might experience symptoms, it can be a good approach to reduce antimicrobial foods so the body can deal with the current situation in the body first.
It could be that saturated fats, like coconut oil, increase LPS absorption. To what degree is hard to say. However, in healthy humans, this is probably not a big issue since LPS concentrations are usually low in human blood. Compared to pigs, the human diet contains more saturated fat and this is usually not a problem.
Food for thought!
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Thank you for the detailed response about Kiran ‘s post.
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Hi ,
Sorry, to disturb is there an alternative to the Thorne product as it contains porcine (Pork).
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